Mick Mulvaney The discussion we're going to try and drive is, yeah, we're going to raise the debt ceiling. But we're going to have to do it as part and parcel of a larger thing to try and solve and resolve some of our debt problems.

John Harwood Well, that means entitlement reform, right?

Mick Mulvaney It may. There's a lot of entitlement reform other than just how old do you have to be to get your Social Security benefits.